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HI all
I know this is off topic but would like any info on conditions north of sonora pass to echo lakes. Steve c how did your hike go? Any one with info plaese chime in. We're leaving 6:00 am Wednesday so any timely info will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any input


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I sent Bill an email, but I'll post a summary here, too.

My hike went well. We covered the 70 miles in 5 days, starting at 3 PM on Sunday, 6/14. There was quite a bit of snow in some places, a few miles on snow total.

The area is beautiful, with several areas pretty gentle (nearly flat) hiking. The map contours in the area are 200 ft. per heavy contour, so it took me some time to realize that each ridge or stream drainage would only take an hour or so to cover, rather than half a day or all day, like the JMT area of the Sierra. Unfortunately, once I became accustomed to the easier terrain, the map switched back to 400' contours the last stretch between Carson Pass and Echo Summit, so the last day fooled me, and the final descent was a classic granite trail with those big JMT-size-steps ...ouch!

The rugged ridges of volcanic necks and fissures were beautiful, unlike anything I have seen anywhere else. Some areas are covered with forest, especially northern slopes, and some are dry and sage brushy, probably due to dryness of the climate and poor volcanic soil. Streams immediatley turned brown with silt during a rain storm.

Much of the area is grazed, and a few places could be described as Cow Pie City. We came upon downed barbed wire fences occasionally. However, I was able to scoop and drink from most of the streams, since they came from higher areas, and after a winter's snow, I figured most of the meadows had been washed clean. ...no ill effects so far.

The toughest part of the hike was losing the trail where it was obliterated by the continuous snow cover, a hundred yards at a time some places. Snow drifts were sometimes 2-4 feet deep, and even 6 feet several places!. It put my map-reading skills to a serous test, and we wandered around lost half an hour or more several times. It helped to use the map and determine the long-view of where the trail was headed, and walk in that direction. It also helped some places in that several PCT hikers had preceded us by a day or two, and we could follow their tracks. They must have had a GPS unit, since they took the correct turn every time.

The weather is warming up, though, and a snow-covered spot on the side-road at Sonora Pass where I parked the car had melted by 50% in the 5 days we were out. So by now, the snow problems should be diminished. My partner took crampons, I got by without. But hiking poles really helped, especially where the trail crossed snow on steep slopes.

Our packs were 24 - 28 lbs to start. I sure appreciate the new light weight Thermarest NeoAir pad and my 7-oz Zpack.

I'll add pictures when I get them from my partner.





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Hi Steve
Thank you so much for the great feedback on the route. It's wed am and we're about an hour away from leaving for the pass. I'm sure your insite will be most valuble. Thanks again and I'll post a recap when we get back ( july 4 )


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Just got back from the J section of pct. eight days ,two fourteen year olds and toooo damn much weight. Thanks again steve for all your info. it was right on. As you predicted the snow had receded quite a lot, still some route finding difficulties near Sonora Pass and a very risky traverse on the back side of Elaphant Back. In retrospect I think we would have gone down and around that section but the boys had already crossed by the time I was out there in thin air.

With the exception of being chased off the pass at Sonora by a Three hour thunder storm the weather couldn't have been better. We encountered no problems what so ever with bears ( almost regret taking the bear cans, probably wouldn't next time.)

Thru hikers are blowing through the area at the rate of two or three a day. Amazingly I've never encountered a happier or friendlier group of people and that's after hiking for 1100 miles. They are truly an amazing bunch of athletes. So keep up the good work Altlas, wildchild ,Pie , crop duster , lucky larry , Censored, alvos, batman, and the others who we didn't get a name from. You represent the spirit of hiking we'll.

For anyone thinking about this hike, go for it. But pack LIGHT and know that the CREST in PCT means you will go over, not around every mountain, hill, knob and bump between you and your destination. Also don't forget your bug juice.

Thanks again Steve C for your update and happy hiking. this was a trip of a life time for both the boys and I. One we won't soon forget.
Happy hiking


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Bill, so glad you had a good time. The lightweight packing is something you work at over the years. I was sure glad mine was way below 20 lbs when I finished the hike. But I am still going to lose my little toe nail.

I have finally posted pictures complete with captions from my trip, here.

Here's a shot from your favorite Elephants Back snow patch:


You mentioned the mosquitoes. We only encountered them the last day a mile or two from Echo Summit. Two weeks makes a big difference.

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Hi steve Great photos, From the looks of it we had about half as much snow as you did. Sure glad we were a week later.
Thanks for the pictures

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Steve, Wow, full sized sleeping comfort now available at a reasonable weight. What size neo-air did you use?


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I used the 9 oz 47-inch small. I put my empty pack and my pants under my feet. Never wished for anything more. Best backpacking pad I have used ...ever!

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I would love to do this section one day...Steve C beautiful pictures..you had some of the Ebbetts Pass section..we just did a nice short one night backpack to Upper Kinney Lake and a little exploring of the area on the hike out yesterday...it is a very beautiful area..we are so close to the area where we live yet have only been there two times.


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