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Hello All!!!

My Mom and I are planning our first assault on Whitney this summer and we have a few logistical questions as we draw near our insertion date. I would be much obliged to any who can give some input!

1. Transportation: We have a list that is a couple of years old that has contact information for companies (or individuals) who provide a "shuttle" type service from Lone Pine to the Portal. However, upon further research, this list seems rather outdated and none of the names/companies seem to provide this service anymore. We are hesitant to leave either of our vehicles at the Portal and were wondering if someone has information regarding a service that will drop us off and pick us back up when we come off the mountain?

2. Camping: Can anyone tell me how far in we can go without needing a permit for overnights? We are considering spending the night before our insertion date at Lone Pine Lake. Are there camp facilities here, and if so, is this part of the back country permit area? Also, what is the bear activity like in this particular area/campground?

Hurm... I know there was something else that we were wondering about but can't seem to bring it to mind now. Drat it!

Thanks for any help y'all can give! I've enjoyed reading over these boards and have garnered alot of useful information off them!!!

~Chris



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There is no reason not to leave your car at the portal. Just make sure there is no food or valuables in the car, and there is nothing visible which would attract a bear. For example candy wrappers on the floor. You might know when you want to leave, but it is very difficult to determine when you will be done. It is just nicer to finish the trail and walk right to your car, compared to getting on the cell phone and waiting 30 minutes for someone to show up.

You are not actually allowed to camp at Lone Pine lake the night before, unless you have an overnight permit. You can camp at Lone Pine Campground, Whitney Portal campground or the Hikers campground the night before. Although the first two campground reserve 50% of the spots, if you get there early in the morning you can often get a spot. Weekdays are easier then weekends.

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Can't give you updated info on transport, but consider the relative problems with leaving a car at the Portal, and in Lone Pine. I'm not sure where you would leave it in town, nor how safe it would be.

As for overnite camping, you need a permit for ANY overnite camping outside of a developed campsite. Take a look at "Wilderness permit options" to the left of this post.
At Lone Pine Lake there are NO camp facilities....just as there should not be anywhere in wilderness areas. It IS part of the Permit area. There are bears, but bear cans are REQUIRED all along the main Whitney trail.

Hope that helps.

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We had intended to leave our car at whatever motel we are going to stay at while we were on the trail. The exact location has yet to be determined. I have read alot regarding the hitchhiking bears at the Portal parking lot and the best advice I've seen so far is "Don't park where there's broken window glass". Guess that would be a -huge- hint that the bears have already found that particular parking space. I've also seen conversations regarding leaving lysol in your car as a deterrant. Any thoughts?

So basically beyond the Portal you have to have the permit for any camping. Correct? We have a permit but were hoping to spend the night before at a little closer to altitude then what Lone Pine can provide us and were hoping to get a couple miles under our belt early on... basically trying to draw it out as long as possible while staying within the limits of regulations and our permit dates (oh yeah.. and vacation time from work grin).

We are -well- aware of the bear can regulations and have already gotten one on hold down here in San Diego (didn't want to get up there and have the Ranger Station tell us they were fresh out of rentals).

Thanks for the input so far... any other hints or suggestions are always welcome!!!!

~Chris

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Originally Posted By SoCalGirl
I've also seen conversations regarding leaving lysol in your car as a deterrant. Any thoughts?


~Chris


By the way, that's Pine-Sol (regular sent) that some people were talking about not lysol. When sprayed on or around cars, bear boxes etc, it seriously messes with the bears sense of smell.

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Quote:

By the way, that's Pine-Sol (regular sent) that some people were talking about not lysol. When sprayed on or around cars, bear boxes etc, it seriously messes with the bears sense of smell.


I knew that!!! Yup yup...was um.. just checking to make sure someone was paying attention.. yup! Thats it!!

Thanks Whitney2424!!!

~Chris


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If you follow the suggestions about having NOTHING in sight (maps, papers, box of tissues, etc) inside your car, I seriously doubt that your car will have any problem. There are a lot of cars there and the only reason a bear will attempt to go in is if it can see something worthwhile for the effort. They are not stealing cars, they after food they can see. They are not dumb nor are they mind readers. If they can't see it or smell it they won't waste the time but pass you for the next who may not be as careful as you. They don't reserve parking stalls for dinner, so broken glass is just a sign of a careless car owner not smart bears. Hope you don't smell up the mountains with air freshener either smile

I'd not leave any food in the car. Just plan on buying more at Lone Pine when you return. Canned food/liquids are fine so long as they are not visible or opened. The wrapper they came in NOR the bag from the store that packed them must not be visible. This includes empty beverage cans. A paper bag full of dirty clothes on the floor of the back seat looks the same as a bag with a Christmas turkey and all the trimmings to a bear.

Could be the cleanest the inside of your car has been in awhile. Take advantage of the occasion to tidy up after the long drive up there.

If bears were the threat most people have come to think they are, you can bet the rangers would not let people traipse around up there let alone park. Bears are easy to control and figure out so long as there is no food involved or young cubs.

They will not hijack you on the trail or take over while you are eating. It is prudent, if they start walking toward your camp, to secure any food in a canister and aggressively defend your territory. This includes making a lot of noise (to alert others in the area) and holding your ground...up to a point. If they keep coming just keep making it noisy for them and step aside. They don't want you -- just the stuff you brought to eat.

Don't let the bears ruin a good trip for you or cause you to think you will have to park in Lone Pine. There is a better chance that you will not see, hear, or smell one while you are there. If you do, think of it as a photo opportunity...from a distance.

Raccoons are a lot bigger menace where they occur. Usually a lot more of them and they are more brazen. Not a lot of media interest, though.

If you have extra time on your permit I'd spend it after you get back from Whitney rather than on the way in. If it is your goal to get to the top, then do it. Then take time at a nice restaurant in maybe Bishop or Mammoth (St Mary Lake has a lodge with wonderful meals). If you are going to be there before your permit, I'd take in some of the fun stuff in the area that is lower down. OR take a short hike uphill from perhaps Onion Valley parking lot west of Independence. There are some early lakes to take a nice day hike and lunch to (with a nice book and some skeeter repellent) or if you are ambitious make a run for Kearsarge Pass or just below it. But give yourself a rest period before hitting the trail up from the Portal. Having time between 6,000 and 8'000 is still acclimating if you are up from San Diego. You don't have to stay at the Portal, Onion Valley, or Horseshoe Meadows to get the advantage of altitude.

But if you must http://www.mtwhitneyshuttle.com/ about $100 if that will give you better peace of mind over the few days you should be enjoying where you are and what is included in the price of the effort to get up there.

And you can probably hitchhike up there and back a lot cheaper smile

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Originally Posted By SoCalGirl
So basically beyond the Portal you have to have the permit for any camping. Correct? We have a permit but were hoping to spend the night before at a little closer to altitude than what Lone Pine can provide us and were hoping to get a couple miles under our belt early on... basically trying to draw it out as long as possible while staying within the limits of regulations and our permit dates (oh yeah.. and vacation time from work grin).
Yes, you are in the wilderness. If you want to leave a day early, see if you can exchange your reservation when you arrive at the Visitors Center in Lone Pine. A reservation is only electronic. The actual permit is printed out when you arrive (or confirm your arrival that day). See Whitney Permits-Pleasant Surprise for more information.

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Originally Posted By VersatileFred
Yes, you are in the wilderness. If you want to leave a day early, see if you can exchange your reservation when you arrive at the Visitors Center in Lone Pine. A reservation is only electronic. The actual permit is printed out when you arrive (or confirm your arrival that day). See Whitney Permits-Pleasant Surprise for more information.


Ohohoh!!! More information!!! Thanks!!!!

~Chris~


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If you are that worried, rent a car and buy the damage waiver. So if the car is shredded, it won't be your problem.

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Oh don't think I haven't considered that one!!! laugh


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Originally Posted By Steve Peacock
If they can't see it or smell it they won't waste the time but pass you for the next who may not be as careful as you. They don't reserve parking stalls for dinner, so broken glass is just a sign of a careless car owner not smart bears. Hope you don't smell up the mountains with air freshener either smile

Could be the cleanest the inside of your car has been in awhile. Take advantage of the occasion to tidy up after the long drive up there.
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Raccoons are a lot bigger menace where they occur. Usually a lot more of them and they are more brazen. Not a lot of media interest, though.

Having time between 6,000 and 8'000 is still acclimating if you are up from San Diego. You don't have to stay at the Portal, Onion Valley, or Horseshoe Meadows to get the advantage of altitude.


Steve, I don't know how I managed to miss your post earlier... guess thats what I get for trying to pay attention to the MB when I should be paying attention to work!!!

Raccoons... we have those silly critters down here where we live. I hadn't thought of them... I will make sure to keep that in mind.

Most of our extra time will be before our permit. We have a fairly set plan for acclimating (play high, sleep low)... but we're just sounding things out to make sure that what we've got going is the best bet for the two of us. Neither of us (my Mom or I) are used to playing at altitude.

Thanks for the link to the shuttle... and the advice about hitchhiking. If we weren't two girls all by our lonesome I might even consider it! wink

~Chris


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