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#33402 12/16/06 12:35 AM
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I just found the link to the new application form for lottery requests. The link is on the 2007 Lottery page . See Main Trail Application .

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Another point to make on what is new next season:

There are two different application forms in 2007:
One for the Mt. Whitney Main Trail Lottery (both dayhike and overnight) which can be downloaded from Fred's link above (<a href=http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/whitneylottery.shtml>2007 Lottery Page</a)):
  • <a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/applications/lottery_only_application_06.doc">Lottery Application (Microsoft Word)</a>
  • <a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/applications/lottery_only_application_06.pdf">Lottery Application (Adobe PDF document)</a>

The second is the Wilderness Permit for overnight-only hikes into the wilderness starting on all other Inyo National Forest trails, AND for the Whitney Main trail to be used after the lottery period is over, found on the <a href=http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/permitsres.shtml>Wilderness Permits & Reservations</a> page:
  • <a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/applications/Wilderness_Permit_Application_2006.doc">Wilderness Permit Application (Microsoft Word)</a>
  • <a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/recreation/wild/applications/Wilderness_Permit_Application_2006.pdf">Wilderness Permit Application (Adobe PDF document)</a>

Also, I inquired about the North Fork dayhike permits -- would there be a charge for them, since they are entering into the Whitney Zone. The answer is no, since it is only the reservation fee that is being charged, and since there is no quota, there is no reservation.

If you go up the MR, but descend via the main trail, that must be noted on the permit.

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Graham, here is a link to the decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals of the lawsuit brought by the High Sierra Hikers, and others:

http://www.highsierrahikers.org/MuirAdams9th.pdf

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Ken, I looked though that document, and it is all about regulating commercial packstock operators. I could only find one paragraph (para D on pg 16, or pg 16390 of the court's numbers) that mentions trailhead quotas, and this paragraph is concerning "special use permits to pack stations".

How does limiting use by pack operators apply to limiting hikers? I truly don't understand.

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SC,

Thanks for reading all the legal stuff. Although I didn’t read the whole thing, I got the same impression that it mainly applies to commercial pack stations.

Certainly pack animals could really mess up the NF. I could be wrong, but I don’t think a pack animal could make it up the NF and the E-ledges; well maybe if they are wearing “sticky rubber” horse shoes wink

#33407 12/30/06 09:17 PM
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Although I now have most of the information in the Orientation Notes, it is still good to keep this on the front page as people start thinking about 2007.

Happy New Year.

#33408 01/10/07 03:29 AM
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Today, I posted a summary table in a new topic: Wilderness Permit Options .

#33409 01/17/07 06:40 PM
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Just for informational purposes, in prep for the Whitney talk tonite, I'd spoken to the Inyo folks, and they expect to make the N. Fork dayhike permits mandatory in the near future. They are apparently making sure that all the regulations relating to doing that are aligned.

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I also added an update to the first post in the topic today. ReserveUSA.com will merge with the National Parks Reservation Service under the common portal of Recreation.gov on February 7.

#33411 02/09/07 06:56 PM
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The new reservation system is now in place. People who used ReserveUSA.com in the past will need to get new online accounts at Recreation.gov for future online reservations. Reservations made before February 7 are still valid, but they cannot be be verified at that site (go to Old Login instead).

#33412 03/01/07 05:05 PM
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Thanks Fred, these two pages told me more than two days of google searches.....Good work!

#33413 03/23/07 06:34 AM
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The Whitney Portal Store message board will be moving to a new server on March 23, 2007, and the bulletin board software will be upgraded several weeks later. The look and feel will be different once the new software is installed. See Steve C's topic on Message Board Moving for more information.

#33414 03/23/07 06:45 PM
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The WPS message board is now on the new server. Stay tuned for more changes in April.

#33415 03/28/07 11:40 PM
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Graham, Ken, Steve C.

Ken's post regarding trailhead quotas is only a portion of the entire story.

A lawsuit was originally brought by several parties in response to the 2001 Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) and Record of Decision (ROD) Wilderness Management Plan for the Ansel Adams, John Muir and Dinkey Lakes Wildernesses issued by the Inyo and Sierra National Forests. The suing parties principally objected to the great attention given to commercial pack operations within these wilderness areas. If memory serves me right, one of their chief complaints was that the Forest Service was proposing to issue more permits to commercial packers and reduce the number of foot permits. Sometime between 2001 and 2004, the case was heard and a ruling was issued that found the USDA failed to adequately address many issues within the 2001 EIS. An injunction was issued preventing implementation of the 2001 plan and the USDA was ordered to complete another EIS.

The document Ken referenced, issued in December 2004, is the opinion rendered by the UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT which upheld an earlier ruling requiring the USDA to complete another EIS and upholding an injunction preventing the Forest Service from implementing the management plans.

At some point in 2005 (maybe late 2004), the USDA modified their approach and dropped the Dinkey Lakes portion of the EIS and incorporated the Trail Management Plan for the Ansel Adams and John Muir Wildernesses. The reasons for this change:

“A revised notice of intent is being issued for several reasons. A Trail Management Plan for the Ansel Adams and John Muir Wildernesses, previously under analysis in a separate environmental document, has been combined into this project. The Dinkey Lakes portion of the Trail Management Plan will be conducted in a future analysis. To incorporate the Trail Management Plan, the Purpose and Need and Proposed Action for the project have been revised only to reflect the combination of the two proposals into one.”

Ref. [Federal Register: January 25, 2005 (Volume 70, Number 15)]
[Notices]
[Page 3508-3509]

The full text of this change is:

<a href="http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-IMPACT/2005/January/Day-25/i1295.htm">Revised Notice</a>


In December 2005, the Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) and Record of Decision for the Trail and Commercial Pack Stock Management in the Ansel Adams and John Muir Wildernesses was released. Two errata have been issued, the latest as recently as May 2006. You can find these documents on the Inyo National Forest website at:

<a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/projects/wildplan2004.shtml">2005 EIS and ROD</a>

The original 2001 EIS and ROD can be found here.

<a href="http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/projects/wildplan.shtml">2001 EIS and ROD</a>


I have responded to this thread and topic to demonstrate the series of events which have consumed significant public resources. However, the new EIS and a more detailed study of the impacts of commercial stock in wilderness areas has not resulted in any appreciable difference between the 2001 plan and the new one.

I have often read Ken’s complaint of the lack of resources and budgets for the USDA and USFS so I thought laying out this series of events could shed light on where some of those resources are being spent. I represent no point of view with respect to these matters but will point out that the principal complainant in the original lawsuit has adopted a position opposing commercial interests in the Sierra Nevada.

The following is quoted from their website:

“We feel that the management agencies in the High Sierra are heavily biased in favor of commercial interests such as horse & mule packers, cattle & sheep grazers, and mining companies. These interests exploit, debase, and pollute our cherished national lands for private gain—to the detriment of those of us on foot, and at great cost to the public.
While the Sierra Club and other conservation groups have moved on to national and global issues, the wilderness of the Sierra Nevada continues to suffer at the hands of these commercial interests and under the hooves of horses, mules, cattle, and sheep. Commercial mule packers, livestock grazers, and mining companies are well organized, have high-priced legal help, and essentially have had things their own way for decades. “

I apologize for rambling on here but I frequently get a sense from reading the WPSMB that most of the posters/readers have no clue what efforts are being expended toward public lands from all sides of the spectrum. This is just one isolated case in the many that are on-going.

Last and certainly not least, the implementation of this plan will have some consequences on permits issued to everyone.

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The first post was updated to reflect the information posted by several people that permits will be required for day hikes up the North Fork/MR starting May 1, 2007.

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Although the North Fork dayhike permits are required, there is no quota limit.

For "alpine starts", the Forest Service will issue a dayhike permit and leave it in the overnight box at the visitor center (just south of Lone Pine) if you call the day before.

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IMO the north fork trail should be maintained up to the creek crossing at least if not the waterfall or base of the ledges. Where's the CCC when you need it

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Today I posted a notice that I received from Recreation.gov stating that the reservation system will go down for a few days in October. It may not affect Forest Service campgrounds, but I did not see that explicitly stated anywhere.

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