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#64560 07/07/09 04:40 AM
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I am wondering if anyone knows the fastest car to car times for main trail and mountaineers route. I believe Jason Lackey has the fastest car to car time on mountaneers route at 3:00.

Thanks in advance

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rsctt83 #64579 07/07/09 03:12 PM
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This question comes up from time to time.

Back in the '50s, before people did serious trail running, Bob and Jeri Lee of Ridgecrest were the first to best the "eight hour barrier." They would race to the summit, swearing on a bible to not cut switchbacks or take shortcuts, and have someone on top sign a piece of paper, which they would carry back down. Once back at the Portal, their times were checked by three or four stopwatches. These stopwatches were manned by a local jeweler, and a church minister. The jeweler because, in those days, jewelers had the best timepieces, and the minister because they could be trusted to tell the truth.

The following year, a fellow from Colorado beat Bob's time by about an hour, but it was later determined that he had slid down the snow from Trail Crest. No matter, Bob came back and beat that (legitimately) a year later--again with jeweler and minister. And so it went for a few years.

I don't recall Bob's best time, but Jeri's was 6:46. I'm sure they've both been bettered a lot since then. But without bibles, jewelers, and ministers, I just don't know....

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Since Bob took the time to research, I did some of my own. Back
on a site, The Winners 7/11/08, Doug Sr cited Calvin Hansen winning the 1961 Whitney Marathon in 3 hrs 54 minutes 45 seconds. It was also mentioned that Calvin had won the 1961 Pikes Peak Marathon in 4 hrs 7 minutes.

On 7/11/08 in The Winners I mentioned Matt Carpenter who is one of the worlds elite in Mt races, and probably one of the top 2 or 3 best of all time. Matt (From Colorado),has a VO.2 of 90.2 (off most human charts !!) won Pikes Peak Marathon round trip in 3 hrs 16 minutes, with an en route ascent time of 2 hrs 1 minute.

Based on Calvins times and the fact I know a good Mt runner who ran Whitney Portal to top and back in 3 hrs 49 minutes (with a Pikes Peak best of just at 4 hrs.), I suggested that Matt would run well under 3 hrs 20 minutes, probably better by maybe even 10 minutes down to 3 hrs 10 minutes. Too bad in this the 100th year Celebration that a Whitney Marathon Race wasn't set up Portal to top and back.

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100th year celebration - I don't know about this, what is it?

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Originally Posted By sierragator
Only competing against myself. I do ok for an old man smile


Whatevah, Jimbo. I'm gonna start calling you gramps...


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rockdad #64636 07/07/09 09:27 PM
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Reference Rosabella's March 5th 2009 post:( 5/3/09) 2009 100th Anniversary of the Whitney Shelter. Refers to the Smithsonian
Institution shelter of 1909 on the top of Whitney.

You have to go back a ways to maybe page 6 or 7, maybe 8 of the 386 pages, but it is worth it as there are alot of pictures and
some good accounts of the early days.


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