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I'm looking for guidance from an experienced mountaineer on Mt. Whitney or other climbers. My friends are planning to summit on Saturday the 21st and I was trying to get a permit to go with them. However, I get the impression from talking to them that they're planning on just driving to the trail and walking up to the summit. I've been lead to believe from other posts that this is getting to be a pretty varsity ascent with seasonal weather conditions.

For those with experience, could you please tell me what you think the required equipment, skill-set and timeline is for making a successful and safe summit attempt this coming weekend. Anyone else planning a climb also please add in your plans so I can get a feel for what everyone is expecting to encounter up there.

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Mike, it looks like you missed Kurt Wedberg's excellent writeup, which you can see here.

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Hi Mike,

Good luck on your trip. Yes, you should read up a bit if you are not too familiar with the area/climb.

Not sure what your climbing/hiking experience is, but you can read my recent trip report from Oct 9 for conditions then and see some photos along the trail. Also, the aforementioned advice from Kurt is valuable as well, especially for the season. Are you accustomed to being at elevation?

If you're friends are well conditioned, previously acclimatized and/or live at higher elevation and have the right gear and water, they could indeed just "walk to the summit"...albeit in a LONG walk...However...

If not, they are in for a bit of a surprise and could encounter conditions that are outright dangerous on the 21st. I assume you're referring to a dayhike? Plan on at least 12 hours for a roundtrip dayhike - a few more if you are not travelling light, stopping for photos and very fit. Most people doing it in a day leave the trailhead at 2AM - 4AM.

I would recommend picking up one or more of the books written on climbing Whitney (like the one by the owners of this store actually, which is quite good). Read the other posts on this site too.

In short, you need to be in good shape, have proper gear (warm clothing, traction devices for your boots, walking poles help, etc and carry enough water..). Unless you live in a place like Estes Park Colorado which is 7000-8000ft, you will need to be acclimatized to the elevation for at least a few days, otherwise you a courting trouble and are in for a very uncomfortable hike and risk altitude-related problems. Among the most important, you need to be psychologically prepared for the long climb.

You should also be aware of the weather and how it can impact trail conditions. Have a backup plan if a storm moves in and makes the climb too risky. The 21st may be a beautiful sunny day with no wind or could be below freezing in winter conditions with ice and snow most of the way up.

Also, know that in the first few miles of the trail (and last few returning) you will be hiking though prime bear habitat and need to aware of the possibility of encountering a bear. While these are black bears, not grizzlies, they still should be treated with respect. It is likely they will be more scared of you than you are of them, but during this time of year, they are in hyperphagia, searching for food anywhere they can (packs, tents, cars etc...) prior to hibernation and may become aggressive if they consider you a competitor for a food source. Be bear aware...if you are not concerned for your own safety, think of the bear; a bear that gets into human provided food will often later wind up dead from habituation or other encounter...a fed bear is a dead bear.

For your trip, where you say you are "planning to summit"...I would change the perspective and say that you are planning to hike and will summit if conditions allow. Weather has a nasty way of altering even the best laid plans. Managing your expectations is also important and be careful going up what you fear you may not be able to get down. Never be ashamed of turning back to climb another day, even if your friends are pushing on in questionable conditions.

Good luck.

Rob

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Mike, I agree with the others. It is extremely important this time of year to be prepared.

My buddy and I will be going in on that weekend also. We have been making preperations for a few months. First goal we established is to make it back to the car safely. Second goal established is the Summit. We plan on staying on the Mountain for a night. However, all of our plans are contigent on the weather. If you and your buddies plan on pushing on please spend the money to rent or buy crampons.....even if you do not use them (if bought maybe you can return them) it is extremely wise to have them. It could be the best $120 or so you ever spent.

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Originally Posted By Mike Miller
However, I get the impression from talking to them that they're planning on just driving to the trail and walking up to the summit. I've been lead to believe from other posts that this is getting to be a pretty varsity ascent with seasonal weather conditions.
Mike,
If I were you, I would play it safe and just hike up to Trail Camp, like I did Last Monday. You get to see a lot of beautiful scenery and don't need to worry about using crampons or rushing up and down.

I realize that it is an ego thing for a lot of people to make the summit, but in my own experience the main trail was easier to navigate after I made the first trip (so a trip to Trail Camp is a great learning experience). If you believe that your friends are asking for trouble, don't follow their plan. What will happen if you get separated from them? Will they wait for you?

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After my first trip up in the whitney zone, i realized that the group you go with, will make or break your trip. Summit hungry people with little care for the wilderness drive me nuts, and i have been up there with a few these people. Its not safe. Make sure you are well prepared and know what to expect. Assume a leadership role, let this group know what their getting into, and do your best to keep your group safe.
P.S.- let your group know about this board, it could save their life.


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