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#2209 02/10/07 10:39 AM
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Hi all:
Now having a basis for comparison, I can give this opinion. Taking six days for acclimatization on Kili made it seem that a day hike on either the main trail or the mountaineers’ route for Whitney has about the same difficulty level as the hardest day on Kilimanjaros hiking trails. In fact, such day hikes may have been a little rougher on my body than doing Kili.
Summit day (up to 19,340 feet) was difficult but only because we went 31 miles (Kibo Hut to summit, than all the way to Kilimanjaro National Park HQ), instead spending one more night at an interim camp or hut. For our group of four, only one person had any AMS symptoms, and not until 18,000 – so we all made it. We did it very slowly, taking 6 days, which was probably a huge help in acclimatization.
I finally got all my Kilimanjaro pictures on the Net at Webshots. I was waiting for my new computer to do so. And the Ngorongoro Crater safari was likewise enthralling. To see the pics try this:

Cut and paste this address to your browser:
http://community.webshots.com/user/TonyTarn

Or, Go to the webshots.com site and search for TonyTarn

Here is our trip report:
Day 1: 9/24/2007 We drove to the northwest side of Kilimanjaro to start at the Rongai Route. We began at about 6,560 feet (2,000 meters) at the Rongai Gate. We ended Day 1 at an elevation of 9,446 feet (2,880 meters) at the first cave, called Simba Camp, just out of the rain forest and into the heath zone.
Day 2: We left for the second cave at 10,496 feet (3,200 meters) We stayed up to watch the stars and the appearance of the milky way galaxy. It was overwhelming.
Day 3: At the end of Day 3, we camped at Kikelelwa Camp at 12,710 feet. (3,875 meters) We clearly left the heath for the moorland zone.
Day 4: This was particularly exciting, as it was for me the highest I have ever been. We camped near the Mawenzi Tarn Hut at the base of the magnificent Mt. Mawenzi, one of Kilimanjaro’s peaks and the third highest peak in Africa (at 16,890 feet); our camp was at 14,104 feet (4,300 meters); then we day hiked, scrambled, up a ridge to 14,760 feet (4,500 meters), which is about 260 feet above Mt. Whitney.
Day 5: We headed out over the high alpine desert, the saddle between Mawenzi and Kibo, to arrive at Kibo Hut at 15,580 feet. Day 5 blended into Day 6 as we took a nap and after some tea, began our final ascent at 10:30 at night, September 28, 2006.
Day 6: Two other groups left Kibo Hut with their guides and porters at 11:00 PM. Both passed us between midnight and 1:00 AM. A light snow … got worse. We hit Gilman’s Point (elevation 18,630 feet, 5,680 meters) around 5:00 AM (GMT + 3) in the dark still, which is only about 1.8 miles (3 kilometers) or less, from our goal, Uhuru Peak, the top of Mt. Kilimanjaro at 19,340 feet. We made it at 7:15 AM.
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Congratulations Tony and thanks for sharing.

I'm always interested in the acclimatization bit. Amazing what the body can adjust to. Now, if we could just be like the bar-headed goose and wake up in India and decide to migrate in one day over the Himalayas to Tibet. Wish we had that quick a response! Otherwise, it's the 6 days like you did on Kili. Good job. How'd the knees feel after the long pounding descent? Harvey

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Tony, VERY nice photos!! Thanks for posting them. Scott


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h_ my legs were the most painful they had ever been in my entire life of hiking. The 31 miles plus 51 years equaled 82 identifiable points of pain. I didn't eat (just one cliff bar) and only had one quart of water for the entire last day. I almost fell off my chair back in Arusha at the dinner table, from exhaustion, dehydration, mild sun stroke. I planned poorly for that last day - we let the porters take off after we got back to Kibo hut. And thanks Scott. Tony

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Tony, very cool pics. Congrats on the summit. Can you share the details on the planning of your trip? I think Kili might be my next destination after Nepal (Everest base camp) in May. Im particularly interested in the time of year you went, air travel, guides you used, etc.

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Thanks for posting the great shots. I'm planning on climbing Kili next year.


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Skunk - email me at etonydotcom@hotmail.com and I'll send you a bunch of info that should help. Put Kilimanjaro in your subject line. You're going to have a great time over there.

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Thanks for the TR & pic's.Never thought i would want to climb Killi but you got me thinking.Thanks agen.AD

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Tony,

Great pics on Kili! WOW! The snow really made the top magical! Any chance I could get info on your planning for the trip like Skunk? I'm thinking of going over there in a couple of years. I'll send you an e-mail if that's OK. Let me know.

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I was wondering if it was absolutely mandatory to hire guides on Kili. I mean is it possible to hire your own porters and cut out the middleman? Just wondering.

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I believe that it is required as a condition of the permit. Kurt Wedberg is leading a climb there right now, and when he gets back will have the latest beta.

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Originally posted by leonidas:
I was wondering if it was absolutely mandatory to hire guides on Kili. I mean is it possible to hire your own porters and cut out the middleman? Just wondering.
Yes you can hire your own guide/porters without going through a company. It is mandatory, however, to have a guide on the mountain. The hard part about hiring a local guide without going through a company/service is to know what you will get. If you plan to bring all of your own gear, food, etc., then it may not be a big issue to just have someone locally who only needs to show you the route and carry gear. However, most people want tents, food, etc. provided by the guide service and then you want to know more about what you are getting and an organizing company or at least a good reference, could prove very helpful. The other consideration is whether it is important to you to have someone along who has medical training, speaks good English, etc. It is a big mountain and stuff happens.

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Hi leonidas (and all),

Greetings from Tanzania. As Ken mentioned I just got off of Kilimanjaro (summitted on Feb 22). If you have any questions about the latest information feel free to ask here on this board of email me. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.

After a particularly heavy rainy season Kili still has snow on the route along the crater rim and the entire crater is full of snow. All in all it was a very spectacular climb.

All the best,

Kurt


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I have a friend in Finland who I met climbing Half Dome a few years ago. She sent me this picture she took on a safari in Africa. Click on the picture for a larger view, or <a href="http://stevec.smugmug.com/photos/133078838-O.jpg" target="_new">click here</a> for the 1.2 Mb original.
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If this photo is recent it shows that a significant snow cover has returned to the mountain. I have not been there myself but saw photos from a few years ago that had significantly less snow cover. Anyone have a perspective of that observation?

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Hi Memory - the day before my summit you would have thought that there were almost no glaciers at all, and barely any appearance of snow on the mountain, from the perspective of the picture above. The next morning, Kilimanjaro looked like it does in the picture above. All it takes is one snowstorm ... and then a day to melt off ... and it's mostly brown again. The picture must have been taken after a storm - reflecting a briefly snow-covered mountain - and probably no significant addition to the receding glaciers. Tony B.

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Thanks Tony, it was wishful thinking on my part. Congrats on your trip.


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