Tre, forgot to say, we had to stop on the road just past the road closed sign, its the second snow covered road area, in other words we past the signs, drove on dry road, hit a snow covered area, went through, hit dry road again, and could not make the next snow covered area. This left 3-4 miles to the portal. This is with Doug Js 4WD Toureg and chains. The only other vehicles were also there, both 4wd.