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#92585 09/15/12 12:31 AM
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I have been searching for a GPS unit that is relatively easy to use, accurate, and is able to accept waypoints. I would like to have the unit as a backup to the actual trail. My goal is to do a number of multi-day hikes next spring/summer, starting with Onion Valley to Mt. Whitney. I have done many long day hikes in the Sierra but now want to get into some backkpacking. I have been to REI (and online) checking out various units. I thought the Garmin Etrex 30 would be a good, after listening to the sales clerk. However, the reviews I have read are all over the place. Folks either love it or hate it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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I have a higher version Garmin (gpsmap series) gps that I love--great antenna, easy interface, etc. Much easier to use than an old etrex that someone gave me. But, after years of using it, I have all but stopped carrying it due to weight...and a better (for me) option.

Now, if I want access to gps while backpacking, I download gps-enabled topo to my iPhone. I generally leave my iPhone off (or at least on airplane mode) while backpacking, and power up only to confirm location, stats, etc. The GPS is a battery killer, but short confirmation power ups don't make much of a dent. I also have a small solio solar charger, and while it is difficult to get enough hours of direct sun to charge it fully, on my last trip I got enough sun to charge my iPhone back up to 100% at the end of the day. I wasn't using more than 10% of the iPhone battery each day (between gps, music, and the kindle book app), and was able to get enough charge to replenish that...so I could have gone on indefinitely.

This would not work if you want to keep your gps on and tracking while you hike. I use topo and a compass, so the iPhone is very much secondary. Having said that, the quality of the maps and function is terrific--I have downloaded the entire JMT series maps, plus yosemite, kings canyon/sequoia, and they are all gps enabled. They are the same maps -- Tom Harrison, Nat Geo -- that lots of us own in paper. I also have some apps that work with separately available contour and topo...a lot of tailoring and specialization is possible.

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Akichow: Thanks for the information. I actually had been looking at that same unit at REI. They wanted $499 for it but I found one on Amazon and got it for half that. Can you tell me where/how/if you used waypoints for your trip. I have been looking online but with no success. Thanks very much for the recommendation.

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bob d #92606 09/19/12 02:03 AM
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When I got my GPS, I took the REI GPS training class and thought it was terrific.

My Garmin GPS came with a lot of waypoints preloaded in the topo -- geographic features, man-made objects, etc.. When I use my Garmin GPS, I often use the preloaded waypoints to help track progress, get a sense of how much time will be needed to get to a location, how difficult the next section will be, etc. Of course, you can add your own waypoints, either ahead of time, or on the trail while you are hiking. I sometimes add waypoints while I am hiking to assist should I need to backtrack, but I have never had to use them. I have not bothered to add custom waypoints in advance of a hike because the topo they sell you for the Garmin GPS already has plenty in it.

I don't really use my GPS for backpacking anymore. On my recent trip, I used my iPhone, and didn't set any waypoints in advance of the trip. I did set some waypoints as we hit certain decision point locations, again, the idea being that those waypoints could help us backtrack if we needed to do so. We didn't end up needing the waypoints, but they created a sense of security. For navigation, rather than GPS waypoints, we were using obvious geographical features and the paper topo map.

If you want to get comfortable with waypoints, a great way to do so is by getting involved in geocaching. After I took the REI course, I used the skills I learned to try to find geocaches, and it was a lot of fun. In the process of doing it, I got pretty good at using my GPS. For geocaching, you often do enter coordinates into your GPS as a waypoint, and then use the waypoint to assist you in locating a cache. You can read about geocaching here. http://www.geocaching.com/

Interestingly, my experiences with the topo on the GPS ultimately led me to become more comfortable and confident reading paper maps. And since paper maps and compasses don't need batteries and don't break down, that is a good thing.

Akichow #92607 09/19/12 02:20 AM
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One other thing you can do with a GPS is create a virtual train of breadcrumbs that you can then download and superimpose onto Google maps.

I did bring my GPS the first time I climbed Whitney (more for the interesting statistics it keeps than for navigation), and here is the map of the hike I created using the GPS tracks and Google maps. The two way points I created appear on the map (Trl Camp and Summit).


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Seen iPhone mentioned a few times....
Apple put a dual-constellation chip (GLONASS - Russian satellites) in for GPS, so it's probably more accurate than most handhelds.

I'm using the Etrex 20, which I think may be the only other GPS models doing the same right now.


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